Our corrupt system The following people are involved in a 'conspiracy'/corruption against us as carers (at the cost of the child!):
Key Assets (Agency for DCP):
1. Ms Angie Simpson (Director during 2012)
2. Ms Judith Wilkinson (Current Director)
3. Ms Penny Bridges (Manager)
4. Ms Kat Ahlers (Social Worker)
Key Assets Review Panel:
1. Mr Steven Jacques (Director – Key Assets Queensland)
2. Anne-Marie Loney (Chief Psychologist – DCP)
3. Rachel Jones (Advocacy Officer – FCAWA)
DCP Joondalup:
1. Ms Deborah Gould (Director)
2. Ms Melissa Cotterill (Previous Case Manager)
3. Ms Jo-Anne Fletcher (Previous Team Leader)
4. Ms Danielle Bunce (Current Case Manager)
5. Ms Rhian Permaul (Current Team Leader)
DCP Head Office:
1. Mr Terence Murphy (Director General)
2. Ms Judith Garsed (Child Advocate)
DCP Complaints Management Unit:
Ms Kim Gartner (Senior Investigating Officer)
Ministerial Representatives:
Ms Helen Morton (Currently the Minister for Child Protection)
OUR STORY
(FOSTER CHILD) was taken out of our care by Key Assets (Agency) and DCP Joondalup without any reason (conspiracy/corruption?) on a 7 day notice period on 27/09/2012.
We lodged a complaint against Key Assets and it escalated to a Tier 2 independent investigation done by Ms Anna Wilson. We were very unsatisfied with the pathetic way in which Ms Wilson conducted the investigation and did not accept the results due to the fact that we are still questioning the authenticity of the evidence and rhetoric used in this report as well as the disputable points, contradictions and blatant lies, not to mention shoddy investigation.
Ms Wilson made use of ‘unproved’ evidence and tried her uttermost to degrade us as carers in her result. We are now in the process of taking this defamation act against us to the WA Police.
As we did not accept the results of Ms Wilson’s investigation, we asked for a review by a Review Panel (Tier 3). I quote from the Stage 3 Complaints Review Panel Final Decision by Key Assets (10/04/2013 and 11/04/2013) as completed by the following three Panel Members; Mr Stephen Jacques – Director, Key Assets; Ms Anne-Marie Loney – Chief Psychologist DCP; Ms Rachel Jones – Advocacy Officer, FCAWA:
“Key Assets did not comply with policy in relation to the ending of placements. A meeting was not convened, with the complainants, to discuss the concerns and ending of the placement. Nor was a disruption meeting held subsequently. Key Assets did not review the foster care approval of the complainants in line with policy and procedure, which would have afforded an opportunity to formally discuss the concerns the agency and DCP had”.
We also lodged a complaint at the Complaint Management Unit of DCP (Department for Child Protection WA). I quote from the findings of the investigation on my complaints against DCP as done by Ms Kim Gartner, Senior Complaints Investigator at the Complaints Management Unit of DCP (14 March 2013):
“When the Department was advised by Key Assets of the decision to cease placement the Case Management Team and/or the Central Referral Team could have: - Requested that Key Assets reconsider their decision - Made the decision to assess you as a Departmental carer to enable (FOSTER CHILD) to remain in the placement”
“However, the Department did not challenge the decision by Key Assets to cease placement as the Department had a number of concerns in relation to the placement” Please note that these so-called ‘concerns’ were made up (or small one’s were blown out of proportion) by Key Assets and DCP in an effort to get rid of me as carer.
This was something they had against me, personally, as carer and misused their authority by making up lies, at the cost of the child. The Department did not challenge the decision by Key Assets, however, no assessments were ever made on these so-called ‘concerns’. I was found ‘guilty’ without trial.
The reason why Key Assets and DCP wanted to get rid of me was because I was willing to advocate on behalf of this child and questioned certain decisions they made regarding (FOSTER CHILD). Apparently I was also too ‘friendly’ with the child’s grandparents and parents.
I quote again from the DCP Complaints Management Unit’s final results: “The Departmental case file and the Key Assets Complaint lnvestigation Report confirm that the concerns were not discussed with you by Key Assets prior to their decision to cease the placement”
“The concerns occurred in the context of very challenging behaviour by (FOSTER CHILD) and a lack of support to you as a carer” “The decision making process provided insufficient opportunity to consider (FOSTER CHILD)'s best interests and the impact the placement move would have on (FOSTER CHILD,)given the acknowledged attachment between (FOSTER CHILD) and you” “The complaint investigation did not identify any immediate concerns for (FOSTER CHILD)'s safety and wellbeing that necessitated a 7 day notice to cease the placement”
“There is no evidence that Key Assets formally recorded and reported their concerns to the Department in a Critical lncident Report that provided a rationale for the decision and included a clear internal process to endorse the decision” “Unfortunately the concerns held by Key Assets and the Department have not been formally assessed by Key Assets”
“The complaint is upheld as the decision making process was flawed” The Duty of Care Unit DCP assessed the concerns that Key Assets and DCP Joondalup had against me. This is the result, and I quote from the results on 15/04/2013:
“The assessment found that the standard of care concerns should not preclude you from being considered as a foster carer should you which to apply to another agency in the future” Although I have been cleared by (both) the Complaints Management Unit of DCP as well as the Duty of Care Unit of DCP, the Joondalup DCP Office is not willing to accept the findings of these units as they do not want to reinstate me as carer for (FOSTER CHILD). I have asked many times for a reason why they do not want me to be (FOSTER CHILD)’s carer, but always receive the answer that they have ‘concerns’ about me! I even asked to personally speak to the Director Joondalup DCP (Ms Deborah Gould) in order to get stability back into (FOSTER CHILD)’s life, but she refused. (Evidence of this is indicated in a letter I have from Ms Kim Gartner).
Ms Kim Gartner made some resolutions in her final result of the Complaints Management Unit DCP, and I quote some of the resolutions: “The Department invites you to have input into a Signs of Safety meeting to be convened for (FOSTER CHILD), including relevant professionals and significant persons, to inform decision making for (FOSTER CHILD)” Please note that this never took place!
The only meeting I attended was at Joondalup DCP in order to discuss the ‘concerns’ they had against me. However, DCP Joondalup now wants to let everybody believe that this meeting was a Signs and Safety meeting they held with me. This is a blatant lie. I am asking Joondalup DCP to produce signed minutes of this meeting to prove their allegation. “The Children's Advocate Ms Judith Garsed will ensure (FOSTER CHILD)'s voice is heard in the Signs of Safety meeting and subsequent planning for him”
This never took place! Ms Kim Gartner (Complaints Management Unit) wrote the following in a letter to us, a clear indication that she was expecting (FOSTER CHILD) to be placed back into our care: “Hi Cris and Desiree, thanks for your patience through this process. Hopefully the resolutions will provide you with satisfaction and good outcomes for (FOSTER CHILD). Regards. Kim Gartner” The above statement by Ms Gartner also correlates well with her investigation finding: “The complaint is upheld as the outcome of the placement move for (FOSTER CHILD) has clearly not been in (FOSTER CHILD)'s best interests.”
“The Department has not been able to stabilise (FOSTER CHILD) in a long term placement and the Department needs to make an informed decision in relation to (FOSTER CHILD)'s future placement arrangements”. “The Department acknowledges that you provided a stable placement for (FOSTER CHILD) for over 12 months and during this time you developed a positive relationship with (FOSTER CHILD) as well as some effective skills and strategies to manage (FOSTER CHILD)'s behaviour”.
Unfortunately, Joondalup DCP does not want to put (FOSTER CHILD) back into our care. They are rather willing to ‘gamble’ with (FOSTER CHILD)’s future (and health!) as (FOSTER CHILD) ended up in hospital due to ketones in his blood system. This is due to mismanagement of (FOSTER CHILD)’s diabetes (by carers).
It is now 11 months since (FOSTER CHILD) was taken out of our care. DCP Joondalup insisted that (FOSTER CHILD) must go to new carers, even though it was not recommended by professional people working with (FOSTER CHILD). (FOSTER CHILD)’s dad and his grandparents also want him to return to our care. Professional people were against this move out of our care right from the beginning. They confronted DCP Joondalup many times on this issue. Their professional advice and suggestions were ignored by Joondalup DCP.
The professional people also questioned Joondalup DCP’s eagerness to push (FOSTER CHILD) on to new carers without (FOSTER CHILD) wanting to go there. They have asked Joondalup DCP why they want to take another chance, as the possibility that it would end up failing is great.
The professional people once again recommended me as carer but Joondalup DCP ignored their advice. The following professional persons are more than willing to discuss this issue, as they would like to raise their serious concerns against the management of (FOSTER CHILD)’s placements by Joondalup DCP. Up till now they have been ignored. (I received permission from them to publish their names and contact details, though contact details will be withheld in this public document): Ms (AAA) – Specialist Clinical Psychologist , Tel: (XXXXXX) Ms (BBB) - Principal (PRIMARY SCHOOL), Tel: (XXXXXX) These are remarks that were made to me on various occasions by staff members of Joondalup DCP: Ms Melissa Cotterill (previous Case Manager DCP Joondalup):
After I explained to her that the decisions they made concerning (FOSTER CHILD) had a tremendous impact on (FOSTER CHILD)’s life, and that all we have built over the last six months is now gone. Her reply to me: “Use the next six months to build him up again!” Ms Jo-Anne Fletcher (previous Team Leader DCP Joondalup): “You are not forming part of our future planning for (FOSTER CHILD)” Ms Kendle Smith (previous Case Manager DCP Joondalup): “We will make sure that you never see (FOSTER CHILD) again”
“We will make sure that you don’t get any DCP children to look after” When I informed Ms Kendle that I am seeking help from outside, she replied: “You can do anything you want, we are not worried as we will convince them to believe us!” At a later stage she said: “You are wasting your time to work through politicians. They are not allowed to intervene and if they want anything to be investigated, it will end up on our table again where we make the decisions!” These workers think that they are above the Law! These workers make themselves guilty of child abuse.
They neglected their duty as the ‘child rights’ of the United Nations are incorporated into Federal Law in Australia. The international Convention on the Rights of Children was recognised by the United Nations General Assembly in 1989 and ratified by Australia in December 1990. In addition to basic human rights, children and young people have the right to special protection because of their vulnerability to exploitation and abuse. In addition, the convention includes the following rights:
“All children have the same right, no matter who they are, where they live, what their parents do, what language they speak, what their religion is, whether they are a boy or a girl, what their culture is, whether they have a disability, whether they are rich or poor. No child should be treated unfairly on any basis”. (Is this child just seen as ‘another welfare child’, and nobody cares? This child’s abuse was reported to the Minister of Child Protection WA, Ms Helen Norton; the Premier of WA, Mr Colin Barnett; the Deputy Premier of WA, Dr Kim Hames, and other politicians. This information was also emailed to the Offices of the Prime Minister (Mr Kevin Rudd) as well as to the Leader of the Opposition (Mr Tony Abbott). No reply was received from these 2 offices.
Nobody is willing to investigate this child abuse! All these important persons just turn a blind eye to these accusations of child abuse! They are not willing to accept that there are wicked staff members in the DCP system!) “All adults should do what is best for a child. When adults make decisions, they should think about how their decisions will affect children”. (Why was the professional people’s view never taken into account regarding decision making for (FOSTER CHILD)? The professional people involved had over and over indicated to DCP Joondalup that it would be in the best interest of the child to be put (FOSTER CHILD) back into our care! “Children have the right to give their opinion, and for adults to listen and take it seriously”. (Why was (FOSTER CHILD) never given the opportunity to give (FOSTER CHILD)’s opinion?
No Child Advocate has visited (FOSTER CHILD). The Child Advocate (Ms Judith Garsed) from DCP ignored my requests to make contact with (FOSTER CHILD)! “Children have the right to be protected from being hurt or mistreated, in body or mind”. (Chaos in the life of this child for more than 10 months! DCP Joondalup trying to push (FOSTER CHILD) to carers where (FOSTER CHILD) does not want to go! Attended only 9 days of school during the last term of 2012! Been placed in 6 different placements in a short period of 5 months!
Spent a lot of time in PMH (hospital)! The child was taken out of a “stable placement of over 12 months” from us to be put into this situation. (FOSTER CHILD) is 12 years old and is allowed to have a say in (FOSTER CHILD)’s placements. (FOSTER CHILD) can choose where (FOSTER CHILD) wants to stay. This right has been ignored by Joondalup DCP. This is mental abuse! This statement of mine (mental abuse) is underlined by the comment of Ms Kim Gartner in her Complaints Management Unit Report, and I quote: “(FOSTER CHILD) has experienced a number of placement moves in the five months since (FOSTER CHILD) was removed from your care”.
”The placement moves have impacted negatively on (FOSTER CHILD)'s health, education and psychological and emotional wellbeing” Lastly, I would like to mention that (FOSTER CHILD) has now reached the stage where (FOSTER CHILD) is desperately trying to make contact with us as family. (FOSTER CHILD) will try anything. This is due to the fact that (FOSTER CHILD) is not allowed to see us. (FOSTER CHILD) is a child where these types of uncertainties do create an obsession within (FOSTER CHILD).
(This child stayed for longer than a year with us, we know (FOSTER CHILD)!) The only thing on (FOSTER CHILD)’s mind is that (FOSTER CHILD) wants to see us. (FOSTER CHILD) loses grip on reality and any explanation (doesn't matter how well) will have zero influence to change (FOSTER CHILD)’s obsession. It will just get worse until (FOSTER CHILD) has seen us again. We experienced this type of behaviour from (FOSTER CHILD) when (FOSTER CHILD) was still in our care and was told by DCP that (FOSTER CHILD) could not visit (FOSTER CHILD)’s grandparents anymore. Ms Rhian Permaul (Team Leader Joondalup DCP) wrote in an email to me (18/08/2013): “I am aware that you have now been in contact with (FOSTER CHILD) via (FOSTER CHILD)’s iPad and the content of your messages clearly indicate that you are undermining (FOSTER CHILD) settling with (FOSTER CHILD)’s new carers”. These people are absolutely cruel!! We never tried to make any contact with (FOSTER CHILD).
(FOSTER CHILD) was the first to make contact. We answered every email as we do not want to let this child feel that we are also ‘failing’ (FOSTER CHILD). I am willing to give all the email information when requested. We asked Joondalup DCP to respond within 24 hours in an email that was sent to them on 19/08/2013), asking them for a positive resolution to move (FOSTER CHILD) back into our care in order to stop this mental abuse. (FOSTER CHILD) is definitely not happy in (FOSTER CHILD)’s current placement (which was warned by the professional people involved) yet I am now being blamed for Joondalup DCP’s mistakes! Up till now we have received no feedback from DCP Joondalup.
They are so sure that the Law will protect them and that nobody is allowed to question their evil decisions and placement managements, therefore they ignored my email. We informed them that if this is not going to happen, we will have no other option than to continue with this correspondence in public. I will make all information available (as well as the emails received and sent to (FOSTER CHILD)) and then we can let the public be the judge. We have written to the Royal Commission concerning this issue.
This is the reply I received from them: Thank you for your written submission to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. As you identify in the submission, the Royal Commission was established with a specific mandate to investigate the institutional responses to the sexual abuse of children. As such, the abuse that you have identified by the Department of Child Protection (Western Australia) is, unfortunately, outside of the Royal Commission’s Terms of Reference.
I understand that this must be frustrating, and you have clearly been through a lot in relation to this complaint. I can suggest that the best avenue to progress your complaint is through both the Ombudsman Western Australia (www.ombudsman.wa.gov.au or 1800 117 000), and persisting with your contact with the Minister for Child Protection. Thank you once again for taking the time to contact the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. Kind Regards, Tim Matthews Tim Matthews | Officer of the Royal Commission Tel: 02 8282 3860 However, the Minister is NOT willing to help!
We have reach the stage where we need to seriously change our plan of action as DCP Joondalup are not showing any willingness to work with us as carers and shows a blatant disregard for common sense, children’s rights and the law. Thank you. Regards. Cris and Desiree Jonker JUST LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO (FOSTER CHILD) SINCE (FOSTER CHILD) WAS REMOVED FROM OUR CARE: (FOSTER CHILD) was removed from our care and placed out into the care of a respite carer, Mr (GS) on 27 September 2012. Key Assets staff previously declared Mr (GS)'s home as 'unsafe' for (FOSTER CHILD) after an incident that happened at Mr (GS)'s home at the end of May 2012 when (FOSTER CHILD) exposed self to a 17 year old girl (also a foster child from Key Assets).
Mr (GS) was not allowed to provide further support to (FOSTER CHILD) due to this incident. This specific incident was reported by Mr (GS) to Key Assets as a critical incident, and it is fully recorded in the database of Key Assets. However, in their eagerness to get (FOSTER CHILD) away from us (with lies), Key Assets and DCP Joondalup were willing to place this child in an ‘unsafe’ house! Mr (GS) never completed his Diabetic Training at PMH. All training is only seen as completed once a practical part has been done under supervision of the trainers at PMH. This involves the giving of an injection to (FOSTER CHILD) so that the staff can be confident that the training was successful. I received a phone call from Mr (GS) on the morning of 28 September 2012, the first morning after (FOSTER CHILD) was removed from our care. Mr (GS) wanted to know what the 2 different bottles of insulin were and how much of each to administer. I explained to Mr (GS) that (FOSTER CHILD) knows the 2 bottles of insulin.
I also explained the doses to administer (which was indicated on (FOSTER CHILD)'s 'Insulin Reporting Book' that was with Mr GS). I received a later phone call from a very worried Mr (GS), informing me that he thinks he gave (FOSTER CHILD) too much insulin, as he also used the 'Novorapid Pen'. I explained to Mr (GS) that this can be a dangerous situation and I suggested he takes (FOSTER CHILD) to the Hospital. I immediately phoned the emergency number of the Diabetic Clinic and the Doctor confirmed that I’d given the correct advice.
(FOSTER CHILD) was in Hospital for a 3 hour observation period. Friday 12 October 2013: We were finally given an opportunity to say 'good-bye' to (FOSTER CHILD) during a contact session arranged by DCP. ((FOSTER CHILD) was taken away from us without (FOSTER CHILD) knowing, as we were not allowed to tell (FOSTER CHILD) that (FOSTER CHILD)’s placement would end within 7 working days. (FOSTER CHILD) was picked up from School on 27 September 2012 by Key Assets and (FOSTER CHILD) could not say good-bye to us as (FOSTER CHILD) was taken to the respite worker's home directly from school). (FOSTER CHILD) appeared to be very anxious and stressed during our contact session. (FOSTER CHILD) frequently cried, saying that (FOSTER CHILD) wanted to come back to us as is very unhappy.
(I do have audio files available as proof). (FOSTER CHILD) complained about the fact that (FOSTER CHILD) was not reminded to use a cream every morning, afternoon and evening as strictly instructed by his Doctor at PMH. This led to a worsening of a skin disorder which was almost healed when he left our care. (FOSTER CHILD) mentioned that (FOSTER CHILD) was not asked to shower/bath daily. (FOSTER CHILD) told Ms Kendle Smith (DCP Case Manager who supervised this contact session) that (FOSTER CHILD) does not want to go back to Mr (GS)'s home: (FOSTER CHILD) indicated to Ms Kendle Smith that (FOSTER CHILD) was bullied by Mr (GS)'s son. (FOSTER CHILD) also indicated that Mr and Mrs (GS) does not understand (FOSTER CHILD) and screams at (FOSTER CHILD).
(FOSTER CHILD) also asked Ms Kendle Smith: “Why did you put me in a place where I feel unsafe. I thought DCP put children in places where they feel safe!” (FOSTER CHILD) also indicated that (FOSTER CHILD), on occasions, tried to phone 'Crisis Care' as (FOSTER CHILD) wanted to be taken away from Mr (GS)'s house. Mr (GS) refused (FOSTER CHILD) to use the phone. (FOSTER CHILD) also told me that (FOSTER CHILD) does not want to go back to Mr (GS)’s home as the girl that stays there is weird and talked about sex.
(FOSTER CHILD) said the girl explained in detail how another Key Assets boy “fucked her doggy style”. (FOSTER CHILD) told me that the girl said sex is very nice and that (FOSTER CHILD) must also try it. Ms Kendle Smith promised (FOSTER CHILD) that, because she understands how important the Jonker family is in (FOSTER CHILD)’s life, (FOSTER CHILD) could have contact whenever (FOSTER CHILD) wishes. (FOSTER CHILD) must just tell her and she will arrange it! – (audio evidence available).
(However, (FOSTER CHILD) was not, and is still not, allowed to contact us with permission from DCP!) (FOSTER CHILD) was moved during middle November 2012 (after 6 weeks at Mr (GS)'s home) to a permanent placement at a new carer with the name of (C). (FOSTER CHILD) only stayed with (C) for one week when the placement broke down. (C) asked Key Assets to remove (FOSTER CHILD) from his care as it will not work out. (FOSTER CHILD) was placed back in the care of Mr (GS) for 2 days. (FOSTER CHILD) was removed from Mr (GS)'s care after 2 days and put in PMH Hospital as there were no carers trained to look after (FOSTER CHILD) and manage (FOSTER CHILD)’s diabetes.
(FOSTER CHILD) stayed for about 2 weeks in PMH (A healthy child but just because there were no trained carers, had to stay in Hospital!) Up till now, (FOSTER CHILD) did not attend any school due to the disruption in (FOSTER CHILD)’s life! (FOSTER CHILD) was moved early December 2012 to another permanent placement in (PK). After enquiry from the Principal of (PRIMARY SCHOOL), DCP Joondalup decided to put (FOSTER CHILD) back in school. (FOSTER CHILD) attended ONLY 9 days of school for the whole of the fourth term! 18 January 2013: (FOSTER CHILD) ran away from (FOSTER CHILD)’s current carers in (PK) to us in (SH) (6 km distance). (FOSTER CHILD) was very upset and Desiree had to calm (FOSTER CHILD) down.
(FOSTER CHILD) told us that the carer got upset with (FOSTER CHILD), grabbed (FOSTER CHILD) with one hand and pushed (FOSTER CHILD) against the wall. The carer then hit a hole in the wall with his other fist, swearing at (FOSTER CHILD). (FOSTER CHILD) felt unsafe and decided to run away to us. (FOSTER CHILD) was also crying, saying that (FOSTER CHILD) regularly and constantly asked Ms Kendle Smith for (FOSTER CHILD) to visit us, but it was refused by Ms Kendle Smith. (FOSTER CHILD) said (FOSTER CHILD) was worried about us and wanted to see us! I took (FOSTER CHILD) to PMH after notifying Ms Kendle Smith about what happened. As I did not have (FOSTER CHILD)’s emergency diabetes kit with me, this was the only option left for me to do.
On our way to PMH (FOSTER CHILD) begged me to take (FOSTER CHILD) back again. (FOSTER CHILD) said that (FOSTER CHILD) does not want to go and stay with anybody else as nobody understands (FOSTER CHILD) and that they are all mean to (FOSTER CHILD). (FOSTER CHILD) asked me to please fight for (FOSTER CHILD) to come back to us. (FOSTER CHILD) once again stayed in PMH Hospital (as a healthy child) from 18 January 2013 until early February as there were no trained carers to look after (FOSTER CHILD).
I phoned the DCP Joondalup Office after this run away incident and asked them to 'take hands with me' to sort out this chaos in (FOSTER CHILD)'s life. I even suggested that I would withdraw the complaints I've made at the Complaints Management Unit DCP. The answer from Ms Jo-Anne Fletcher (DCP Joondalup was: “NO, you do not form part of our long-term planning for (FOSTER CHILD)!” (FOSTER CHILD) once again did not start attending school on 4 February, when schools started for the new year, due to the disruption in (FOSTER CHILD)’s life.
(FOSTER CHILD) was placed with a carer in Mandurah early February 2013, and started attending (PRIMARY SCHOOL) again after a few days in placement. This placement broke up after a week or two. (FOSTER CHILD) was now moved back to (FOSTER CHILD)’s Grandparents during March 2013 where (FOSTER CHILD) stayed until August 2013. (FOSTER CHILD) has now been moved into a new placement with new foster carers (against (FOSTER CHILD)’s will!!). I am now blamed by Joondalup DCP for the signs of breaking up in this placement. DCP Joondalup ignored warnings by professional people that the chances are very big that this placement will fail just as the previous ones did. The professional people asked DCP Joondalup to place (FOSTER CHILD) back into our care. DCP Joondalup ignored their request and suggestions. Where is the humanity now?
(Please note that I do have the support from all professional people working with (FOSTER CHILD) and they are all willing to testify and support us as carers on this matter when asked to) They have given permission for their names and contact numbers to be made public when needed). We have all the evidence and proof (also on audio) available to expose the lies by DCP and Key Assets. There is much more information that we can give if needed. PLEASE HELP!!